- PTAB · Dec 11, 2025 · IPR2025-01025 · APJ Timothy G Majors · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted IPR on all challenged claims and all asserted grounds, finding a reasonable likelihood that claim 1 is unpatentable over Garrison with Laub and/or Aklog.
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“Under 35 U.S.C. § 314(a), an inter partes review may not be instituted unless it is determined that there is a reasonable likelihood that the petitioner will prevail with respect to at least one of the claims challenged in the petition. For reasons explained below, we conclude that Petitioner shows a reasonable likelihood that it will prevail with respect to at least one of the ’910 patent’s challenged claims. We institute inter partes review on all challenged claims and on all asserted grounds. See SAS Inst. Inc. v. Iancu, 584 U.S. 357, 362–63 (2018); 37 C.F.R. § 42.108(a) (“When instituting inter partes review, the Board will authorize the review to proceed on all of the challenged claims and on all grounds of unpatentability asserted for each claim.”).” slip op. at 2
- Skill levelSkill level petitioner adoptedDecided for petitioner
“(“POSA”) “would have had an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering or a related engineering discipline and 2-4 years of catheter design experience and, where necessary, would have consulted with a physician regarding the methods of treatment.” Pet. 18 (citing Ex. 1003 ¶¶ 35–36).” slip op. at 12
- Claim Construction › Threshold & procedure › Whether a term needs construction (O2 Micro)No construction neededNot reached
“standard used in a civil action before the courts under 35 U.S.C. § 282(b), including construing claim language in accordance with its ordinary and customary meaning as understood by the POSA, in view of the patent’s specification and considering the patent’s prosecution history. 37 C.F.R. § 42.100(b). We need only construe terms where the parties dispute a term’s meaning and only to the extent needed to resolve the controversy. Realtime Data, LLC v. Iancu, 912 F.3d 1368, 1375 (Fed. Cir. 2019).” slip op. at 13
- Obviousness (§103) › Motivation to combine / reasonable expectation of successMotivation foundReasonable expectation foundInstituted
“To show unpatentability based on a combination of teachings, “[a]n obviousness determination [also] requires finding both that a skilled artisan would have been motivated to combine the teachings of the prior art references to achieve the claimed invention, and that the skilled artisan would have had a reasonable expectation of success in doing so.” CRFD Rsch., Inc. v. Matal, 876 F.3d 1330, 1340 (Fed. Cir. 2017) (internal quotation marks omitted).” slip op. at 12
Claim construction§ 103 obviousnesscites KSR · GrahamPatents in suitUS 11,974,910 - PTAB · Dec 11, 2025 · IPR2025-01021 · APJ Timothy G Majors · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted IPR on claims 1–12, 14–31, and 33–38 on all asserted grounds, finding a reasonable likelihood of success on at least claim 1.
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“its challenge to the claims under Grounds 1A–4A. We have also considered Patent Owner’s counterarguments, which we find unavailing at this stage for reasons explained below. See infra Section III.E.3. Upon considering the parties’ argument and evidence, we find that Petitioner has established that it is reasonably likely to succeed in showing that at least claim 1 would have been obvious under Grounds 1A–4A. Based on the preliminary record, Petitioner persuades us that a POSA would have had reasons for adding a stopcock (or similar flow-control valve) to Laub’s system between the catheter and the cited clot canister and pressure source, as suggested by Garrison. See, e.g., Ex. 1006 ¶¶ 130–134; Ex. 1012, Fig. 1A; Ex. 1006, Fig. 34. Petitioner persuades us that Laub’s system, modified as proposed, would allow a user to close the valve while a pressure source (e.g., a pump) creates a negative pressure and vacuum between the valve and the pressure source, which vacuum may then be applied to a distal portion of the catheter upon opening the valve to facilitate a rapid aspiration of a portion of a PE into the clot canister. Pet. 38–42; Ex. 1003 ¶¶ 48, 103–114.” slip op. at 30
- Skill levelSkill level petitioner adoptedDecided for petitioner
“(“POSA”) “would have had an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering or a related engineering discipline and 2-4 years of catheter design experience and, where necessary, would have consulted with a physician regarding the methods of treatment.” Pet. 13 (citing Ex. 1003 ¶ 35). Patent Owner counters that Petitioner’s proposed definition is “insufficient” but does not, in the Preliminary Response, explain why it is “insufficient” or propose a definition of its own. Prelim. Resp. 20 (citing333 Ex. 2005 ¶ 52).14 Instead, in advancing Patent Owner’s counterarguments, “Patent Owner applies Petitioner’s definition.” Id. For this Decision, we apply Petitioner’s POSA definition, which appears to be reasonable and consistent with the prior art.” slip op. at 12
- Claim Construction › Threshold & procedure › Whether a term needs construction (O2 Micro)No construction neededNot reached
“specification and considering the patent’s prosecution history. 37 C.F.R. § 42.100(b). We need only construe terms where the parties dispute a term’s meaning and only to the extent needed to resolve the controversy. Realtime Data, LLC v. Iancu, 912 F.3d 1368, 1375 (Fed. Cir. 2019). Petitioner contends that the term “filament” in, for example, dependent claim 11 means at least “one or more threads, lines, cords, ropes, ribbons, flat wires, sheets, or tapes.” Pet. 15. Patent Owner notes its disagreement with Petitioner’s interpretation of the term “filament” in related proceedings (e.g., IPR2025-00289). Prelim. Resp. 20 n.3. But Patent Owner contends that the claim construction issue in related proceedings “is not germane” to Patent Owner’s arguments in the present case and, thus, the Board need not construe that term (or any other term of the ’333 patent’s challenged claims) at this time. We need not, at this stage, further construe the ’333 patent’s claims to address the issues that are presently in dispute.” slip op. at 13
- Obviousness (§103) › Motivation to combine / reasonable expectation of successMotivation foundDecided for petitioner
“pumps, like described in Laub, Aklog, and Garrison would, in the proposed modified systems, generate a vacuum pressure as claimed will be best assessed on a full record at trial. As an initial matter, claim 1 does not recite a “maximum level of aspiration in a rapid fashion.” At most, Patent Owner’s argument (if accepted) may weaken some of Petitioner’s reasoning for modifying the prior art. In any event, we are at this stage unpersuaded that a pump would not, when a fluid control valve is closed, generate a vacuum pressure and operate in the manner claimed. See, e.g., Ex. 1003 ¶¶ 103–105 (testifying that a stopcock and aspiration pump would generate a vacuum and provide for rapid aspiration). Garrison does not disclose that only syringes have such capability, and Garrison teaches, in the same paragraph where the cited alternative aspiration sources may be used in its systems (“active source[s] of aspiration may be an aspiration pump, a regular or locking syringe, a hand-held aspirator, hospital suction, or the like”). Ex. 1006 ¶ 134. Garrison’s disclosure is, thus, not limited to use of syringes or even peristaltic pumps (as allegedly depicted in Figure 34). We also note (as pointed out by Petitioner) that the ’333 patent indicates that both pumps and syringes generate and store negative/vacuum pressure in an aspiration system.18 Ex. 1001, 7:28–41, dependent claim 15 (aspiration source comprises “an electric pump”); Prelim. Reply 5. That a POSA would have understood that both syringes and pumps, like disclosed in Garrison, can generate a vacuum pressure to permit rapid aspiration of clots also finds further evidentiary support in Dr. Turk’s testimony that surgeons have used pumps and syringes for that purpose since the early 2010s. Ex. 1022 ¶ 23. Moreover, although Laub teaches that running a pump continuously at high flow rates can assist with dislodging clots, Petitioner persuades us on the present record that a POSA would see benefit in modifying Laub’s system to also allow for an initial or intermittent rapid burst of vacuum pressure to help remove a clot. Ex. 1003 ¶¶ 106, 109.” slip op. at 33
Claim construction§ 103 obviousnesscites KSR · GrahamPatents in suitUS 11,969,333 - PTAB · Dec 10, 2025 · PGR2025-00054 · APJ Ryan H Flax · PGR · Institution
The Board instituted PGR on claims 1–16 on all four grounds, finding at least one claim more likely than not unpatentable based on obviousness, indefiniteness, or lack of written description.
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“institute trial in a post-grant review. We institute a post-grant review only if the information presented in the petition filed under 35 U.S.C. § 321, if unrebutted, shows that it is more likely than not that at least one claim challenged in the petition is unpatentable. 35 U.S.C. § 324. On the existing record, we conclude that Petitioner demonstrates it is more likely than not that Petitioner would prevail in showing that at least one challenged claim of the ’781 patent is unpatentable under a presented ground. See generally Pet. Therefore, we grant institution of post-grant review. Our reasoning is discussed below.” slip op. at 2
- PTAB / AIA Trials › Real party in interest / privityDecided for petitioner
“STANDING Petitioner states that it certifies that: (1) the ’781 patent is available for post grant review because its earliest claimed effective filing date is October 9, 2018, and the patent issued less than nine months ago, on December 3, 2024; and (2) Petitioner is not barred or estopped from requesting a post grant review on the grounds in this petition. Pet. 5. This is sufficient. See 35 U.S.C. § 100(note)(A)–(B), § 321; 37 C.F.R. § 42.204(a). Patent Owner does not contest standing. See generally Prelim. Resp. B. REAL PARTIES-IN-INTEREST Petitioner states that “[t]he real parties-in-interest are Petitioner Straumann USA, LLC and its affiliates Institut Straumann AG and JJGC Indústria e Comércio de Materiais Dentários S.A.” Pet. 3. Patent Owner raises no objection and itself identifies “Smart Denture Conversions, LLC is the real party-in-interest.” Paper 4, 2; see generally Prelim. Resp. C.” slip op. at 3
- Skill levelSkill level petitioner adoptedDecided for petitioner
“At this point, we find little meaningful difference between the two proposed definitions. In fact, neither does Patent Owner’s witness, Mr. Leinsing, who states that his “opinions would not change under either definition.” Ex. 2011 ¶ 42. And, as set forth above, Patent Owner asserts that, for the sake of its present arguments, it matters not which of the two proposed definitions we use for this proceeding. Prelim. Resp. 21. Thus, at this stage, we accept and use Petitioner’s proposed definition of the ordinarily skilled artisan, which, unlike Patent Owner’s, does not implicate reliance on the knowledge of people other than the individual ordinarily skilled artisan. Petitioner’s definition appears to comport with the level of skill in the art reflected in the prior art of record and the ’781 patent. See Okajima v. Bourdeau, 261 F.3d 1350, 1355 (Fed. Cir. 2001) (“[T]he prior art itself [may] reflect[] an appropriate level” of ordinary skill in the art) (quoting Litton Indus. Prods., Inc. v. Solid State Sys. Corp., 755 F.2d 158, 163 (Fed. Cir. 1985)). This issue may be further developed at trial by the parties, if desired. C.” slip op. at 19
- Claim Construction › Threshold & procedure › Whether a term needs construction (O2 Micro)No construction neededOther
“same claim construction standard that is used to construe patent claims in a civil action in federal district court thus, by default, we give claim terms their ordinary and customary meaning, which is “the meaning that the term would have to a person of ordinary skill in the art in question at the time of the invention.” 37 C.F.R. § 42.200(b); Phillips v. AWH Corp., 415 F.3d 1303, 1312–13 (Fed. Cir. 2005) (en banc). Petitioner indicates that None of the claim terms of claims 1–16 need to be construed to determine the patentability issues presented in this petition. The petition applies the ordinary meaning of the claim language as it would be understood by a POSA after reading the ’781 patent. Ex. 1002, ¶130. Petitioner will propose a construction if Patent Owner argues or the Board determines that one is required for any term. Pet. 31 (citing Ex. 1002). And, Patent Owner presents no express position on claim construction at this point. See generally Prelim. Resp. At this stage of the proceeding, we do not expressly construe any claim terms; however, this position is preliminary and we may change it based on the fully developed record at trial.8 D.” slip op. at 19
Claim construction§ 103 obviousness§ 112 disclosurecites GrahamPatents in suitUS 12,156,781 - PTAB · Nov 21, 2025 · IPR2025-00956 · APJ Ryan H Flax · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted IPR on claims 1–12 under all asserted grounds, finding a reasonable likelihood that at least one claim is unpatentable.
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“institute trial in an inter partes review. We institute an inter partes review only if the information presented in the petition filed under 35 U.S.C. § 311, and any preliminary response filed under § 313, shows that there is a reasonable likelihood that Petitioner would prevail with respect to at least one of the claims challenged in the petition. 35 U.S.C. § 314. After reviewing the parties’ submissions in view of the existing record, we conclude that Petitioner demonstrates a reasonable likelihood it would prevail in showing that at least one challenged claim of the ’992 patent is unpatentable under the presented grounds. See Pet. Therefore, we grant institution of inter partes review. Our reasoning is discussed below. A.” slip op. at 2
- Skill levelSkill level petitioner adoptedDecided for petitioner
“These two proposed definitions of the ordinarily skilled artisan share many consistencies, for example, the types of degrees and experience such a person would have had, but differ in the number of years of experience. Petitioner proposes the ordinarily skilled artisan would have had at least five years of experience and Patent Owner proposes at least three years (which would necessarily include five years, too). Patent Owner also proposes that the ordinarily skilled artisan would have consulted a dentist, oral surgeon, prosthodontist, or periodontist with experience in dental implants and prosthetics. At this point, we find little meaningful difference between the two proposed definitions. In fact, neither does Patent Owner’s witness, Mr. Leinsing, who states that his “opinions would not change under either definition.” Ex. 2011 ¶ 40. Thus, at this stage, we accept and use Petitioner’s proposed definition of the ordinarily skilled artisan, which, unlike Patent Owner’s, does not implicate reliance on the knowledge of people other than the individual ordinarily skilled artisan. Petitioner’s definition appears to comport with the level of skill in the art reflected in the prior art of record and the ’992 patent. See Okajima v. Bourdeau, 261 F.3d 1350, 1355 (Fed. Cir. 2001) (“the prior art itself [may] reflect[] an appropriate level” of the ordinary level of skill in the art) (quoting Litton Indus. Prods., Inc. v. Solid State Sys. Corp., 755 F.2d 158, 163 (Fed. Cir. 1985)). This parties may further developed this issue at trial, if desired. C.” slip op. at 13
- Claim Construction › Threshold & procedure › Whether a term needs construction (O2 Micro)No construction neededOther
“The Board interprets claim terms in an inter partes review using the same claim construction standard that is used to construe patent claims in a civil action in federal district court. 37 C.F.R. § 42.100(b). In construing claims, district courts and the Board here, by default, give claim terms their ordinary and customary meaning, which is “the meaning that the term would have to a person of ordinary skill in the art in question at the time of the invention.” Phillips v. AWH Corp., 415 F.3d 1303, 1312–13 (Fed. Cir. 2005) (en banc).” slip op. at 14
- Disclosure Requirements (§112) › Written description (Ariad)Written description inadequateNot entitled to earlier dateDecided for petitioner
“Here, the first claim limitation at issue is broad, i.e., different thread pattern/profile between a definite and a temporary screw, and the Specification’s and priority applications’ disclosure is narrow and specific, asymmetric buttress style threads in a temporary screw and symmetrical threads in a definite screw (are different). Any apparent predictability in or maturity of the relevant field here must be contrasted with the fact that the Specification, considering the ’992 patent itself or any of the identified priority applications, never once even discusses the (claimed) concept of specifically differing the thread style between a temporary and a definitive screw. Any differences in thread style are not called out by the disclosure, but are described and can be discerned only in relation to the respective threads’ functionality, i.e., Fig. 75’s temporary screw 190 has buttress-style threading so it can be pulled out rather than unscrewed from the abutment; Fig. 9’s definitive screw 75 has male threads that fill the female threads of the abutment 8 for a secure permanent engagement. Ex. 1001, 15:23–30, 21:25–44, 23:3–36; Ex. 1012, 97–98, Figs. 9, 75. And, although it is possible for a single disclosed species to provide written description support for a claimed genus, “a sufficient description of a genus . . . requires the disclosure of either a representative number of species falling within the scope of the genus or structural features common to the members of the genus so that one of skill in the art can ‘visualize or recognize’ the members of the genus.” Ariad, 598 F.3d at 1350; see also Synthes USA, LLC v. Spinal Kinetics, Inc., 734 F.3d 1332, 1344 (Fed. Cir. 2013). That does not appear to be the case here—the present record does not support that the described asymmetrical buttress, serrated style of different temporary screw threading (relative to that of the definitive screw and regardless of the direction of the threads for rotation) is sufficiently representative of the genus’s “different” thread patterns/profiles. See, e.g., Ex. 1006 (a buttress style thread does not function the same as a buttress reverse or 75º joint profile or rounded, or trapezoidal thread).” slip op. at 30
Claim construction§ 102 anticipation§ 103 obviousness§ 112 disclosurecites Phillips · GrahamPatents in suitUS 11,937,992 - PTAB · Nov 20, 2025 · IPR2025-00951 · APJ Eric C Jeschke · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted IPR on claims 1–19 and all asserted grounds, finding a reasonable likelihood that claim 1 would have been obvious over DuroMax and De Vries.
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“review. See 35 U.S.C. § 314; 37 C.F.R. § 42.4(a) (2024) (“The Board institutes the trial on behalf of the Director.”). Inter partes review may not be instituted “unless . . . the information presented in the petition . . . shows that there is a reasonable likelihood that the petitioner would prevail with respect to at least 1 of the claims challenged in the petition.” 35 U.S.C. § 314. Upon consideration of the evidence and arguments in the record, for the reasons below, we determine that the information presented shows a reasonable likelihood that Petitioner would prevail with respect to at least one of the challenged claims. We thus institute inter partes review on all challenged claims on all asserted grounds. See SAS Inst. Inc. v. Iancu, 584 U.S. 357, 362–63, 369–70 (2018); 37 C.F.R. § 42.108(a) (“When instituting inter partes review, the Board will authorize the review to proceed on all of the challenged claims and on all grounds of unpatentability asserted for each claim.”).” slip op. at 2
- Skill levelSkill level petitioner adoptedDecided for petitioner
“For purposes of this Decision, we adopt the definition of the level of ordinary skill in the art proposed by Petitioner. As to the inclusion of physics in Petitioner’s definition, Patent Owner acknowledges that an undergraduate mechanical engineering degree holder would have the requisite knowledge here but does not adequately explain why an undergraduate physics degree holder would not. In addition, Patent Owner requires “a four-year degree in mechanical engineering or a closely related field,” but fails to identify what fields are “closely related.” See Prelim. Resp. 10 (emphasis added). Based on the Winkel Declaration, we are persuaded at this stage that a hypothetical undergraduate physics degree holder would have had adequate knowledge for one of ordinary skill in the art of the invention here. See Winkel Decl. ¶ 106. As to the requisite years of experience proposed in the definitions— three for Petitioner versus “at least one” for Patent Owner—we note that Patent Owner’s definition is broader than, but includes, Petitioner’s definition. Moreover, for both the inclusion of physics and the years of experience issues, Patent Owner acknowledges that the arguments in the Preliminary Response “are not impacted based on which definition is applied.” Prelim. Resp. 10. Further, Patent Owner does not argue at this stage that Petitioner’s proposal for the level of ordinary skill leads to an improper understanding of how a skilled artisan would have understood either the challenged patent or the prior art.” slip op. at 11
- Claim Construction › Threshold & procedure › Whether a term needs construction (O2 Micro)No construction neededNot reached
“At this stage of the proceeding and on the current record, we need not and do not explicitly construe the phrase “selector switch.” See Realtime Data, LLC v. Iancu, 912 F.3d 1368, 1375 (Fed. Cir. 2019) (“The Board is required to construe ‘only those terms . . . that are in controversy, and only to the extent necessary to resolve the controversy.’” (quoting Vivid Techs., Inc. v. Am. Sci. & Eng’g, Inc., 200 F.3d 795, 803 (Fed. Cir. 1999)). Although we do not expressly adopt Petitioner’s proposed construction at this stage of the proceeding, we note that it at least generally aligns with the tentative claim construction issued by the United States District Court in the California Litigation: “Mechanical device whose positioning precludes simultaneous access to two fuels.” Ex. 300310 at 2; see also 37 C.F.R. § 42.100(b) (“Any prior claim construction determination concerning a term of the claim in a civil action, or a proceeding before the International Trade Commission, that is timely made of record in the inter partes review proceeding will be considered.”); Memorandum from Acting Director Coke Morgan Stewart to Members of the Patent Trial and Appeal Board (Sept. 15, 2025), available at https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/ Memo_re_prior_findings_of_fact_and_conclusions_of_law_9_16_25.pdf (“Prior Determinations Memo”) (discussing PTAB consideration of prior findings of fact and conclusions of law). We also note that Patent Owner” slip op. at 14
- Obviousness (§103) › Analogous artAnalogous artDecided for petitioner
“Like the Federal Circuit in In re Ellis, although the patent classification of the reference is “some evidence of ‘non-analogy, . . . we consider the similarities and differences in structure and function of the inventions . . . to carry far greater weight.” In re Ellis, 476 F.2d at 1372 (affirming the Board and rejecting the applicant’s nonanalogous art argument). Here, the challenged patent discusses in the Background of the Invention the need for a way to “prevent both valves from being ‘on’ at the” slip op. at 21
Claim construction§ 103 obviousnesscites Phillips · GrahamPatents in suitUS 10,598,101 - PTAB · Nov 13, 2025 · IPR2025-00805 · APJ Eric C Jeschke · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted IPR on claims 1–24 and all asserted grounds, finding a reasonable likelihood that Petitioner would prevail on at least one challenged claim.
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“review. See 35 U.S.C. § 314; 37 C.F.R. § 42.4(a) (2024) (“The Board institutes the trial on behalf of the Director.”). Inter partes review may not be instituted “unless . . . the information presented in the petition . . . shows that there is a reasonable likelihood that the petitioner would prevail with respect to at least 1 of the claims challenged in the petition.” 35 U.S.C. § 314. Upon consideration of the evidence and arguments in the record, for the reasons below, we determine that the information presented shows a reasonable likelihood that Petitioner would prevail with respect to at least one of the challenged claims. We thus institute inter partes review on all challenged claims on all asserted grounds. See SAS Inst. Inc. v. Iancu, 584 U.S. 357, 362–63, 369–70 (2018); 37 C.F.R. § 42.108(a) (“When instituting inter partes review, the Board will authorize the review to proceed on all of the challenged claims and on all grounds of unpatentability asserted for each claim.”).” slip op. at 2
- PTAB / AIA Trials › Discretionary denial › §325(d) same art / argumentsNot reached
“C. Patent Owner’s Arguments Under 35 U.S.C. § 325(d) In the Preliminary Response, Patent Owner contends that Petitioner’s unpatentability arguments presented in this proceeding were previously considered by the USPTO. See Prelim. Resp. 31–33. In her decision referring this matter to the Board, then-Acting Director Stewart rejected that argument. See Paper 20 at 2–3 (discussing why “Petitioner provides persuasive reasoning, supported by evidence, that discretionary denial under 35 U.S.C. § 325(d) is not appropriate”); see also Prelim. Resp. 31–33 (referring to and citing Patent Owner’s Discretionary Denial Brief (Paper 8)). We need not and do not address this issue further.” slip op. at 15
- Skill levelSkill level petitioner adoptedDecided for petitioner
“For purposes of this Decision, we adopt the definition of the level of ordinary skill in the art proposed by Petitioner. As to the inclusion of physics in Petitioner’s definition, Dr. Singhose (a professor of mechanical engineering) testifies as to why undergraduate mechanical engineering degree holders would have the requisite knowledge here, but does not testify that undergraduate physics degree holders would not. See Singhose Decl. ¶¶ 2, 27, 28. In addition, Patent Owner and Dr. Singhose require “a four-year degree in mechanical engineering or a closely related field,” but fail to identify what fields are “closely related.” See Prelim. Resp. 11; Singhose Decl. ¶ 27. Based on the Morse Declaration, we are persuaded at this stage that a hypothetical undergraduate physics degree holder would have adequate knowledge for one of ordinary skill in the art of the invention here. See Morse Decl. ¶ 31. As to the requisite years of experience proposed in the definitions— three for Petitioner versus “at least one” for Patent Owner—we note that Patent Owner’s definition is broader than, but includes, Petitioner’s definition. Moreover, for both the inclusion of physics and the years of experience issues, Patent Owner acknowledges that the arguments in the Preliminary Response “are not impacted based on which definition is applied.” Prelim. Resp. 12 (citing Singhose Decl. ¶¶ 30–34). Further, Patent Owner does not argue at this stage that Petitioner’s proposal for the level of ordinary skill leads to an improper understanding of how a skilled artisan would understand either the challenged patent or the prior art.” slip op. at 11
- Claim Construction › Threshold & procedure › Whether a term needs construction (O2 Micro)No construction neededOther
“B. Claim Construction In inter partes reviews, the Board interprets claim language using the same claim construction standard that would be used in a civil action under 35 U.S.C. § 282(b), as described in Phillips v. AWH Corp., 415 F.3d 1303 (Fed. Cir. 2005) (en banc). See 37 C.F.R. § 42.100(b). Under that standard, we generally give claim terms their ordinary and customary meaning, as would be understood by a person of ordinary skill in the art at the time of the invention, in light of the language of the claims, the specification, and the prosecution history. See Phillips, 415 F.3d at 1313–14. Although extrinsic evidence, when available, may also be useful when construing claim terms under this standard, extrinsic evidence should be considered in the context of the intrinsic evidence. See id. at 1317–19. Petitioner does not propose express constructions for any claim terms. Pet. 12. Patent Owner also does not propose any express constructions. See Prelim. Resp. 12. On the current record, we need not construe explicitly any claim terms. See Realtime Data, LLC v. Iancu, 912 F.3d 1368, 1375 (Fed. Cir. 2019) (“The Board is required to construe ‘only those terms . . . that are in controversy, and only to the extent necessary to resolve the controversy.’” (quoting Vivid Techs., Inc. v. Am. Sci. & Eng’g, Inc., 200 F.3d 795, 803 (Fed. Cir. 1999)). As discussed below, however, the parties dispute the meaning of “gaseous fuel.” We address this issue below in the analysis of the challenge to claims 1–3, 5–9, and 18 based on Nakafushi and Olmr.” slip op. at 12
Claim construction§ 102 anticipation§ 103 obviousnessDiscretionary denialcites PhillipsPatents in suitUS 10,393,034 - PTAB · Oct 23, 2025 · IPR2025-00989 · APJ Timothy G Majors · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted IPR on all challenged claims based on the asserted grounds, finding a reasonable likelihood of success on the Schaffer-Hartley and Schaffer-Eller combinations.
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“Under 35 U.S.C. § 314(a), an inter partes review may not be instituted unless it is determined that there is a reasonable likelihood that the petitioner will prevail with respect to at least one of the claims challenged in the petition. For reasons explained below, we conclude that Petitioner shows a reasonable likelihood that it will prevail with respect to at least one of the ’291 patent’s challenged claims. We institute inter partes review on all challenged claims. See SAS Inst. Inc. v. Iancu, 584 U.S. 357, 362–63 (2018); 37 C.F.R. § 42.108(a) (“When instituting inter partes review, the Board will authorize the review to proceed on all of the challenged claims and on all grounds of unpatentability asserted for each claim.”). Findings and conclusions at this stage are preliminary and based on the current record. Any final decision will be based on a full trial record.” slip op. at 2
- Skill levelSkill level patent owner adoptedDecided for patent owner
“We agree with Patent Owner that Petitioner’s proposed POSA definition lacks specificity. That definition, if interpreted generically, could mean that a person may qualify as a POSA if they had, for example, a B.S. in mechanical engineering and only two years of experience designing or engineering any type of product in any field. That is too broad. We find that a POSA would have had the agreed-upon educational credentials—an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering or a related engineering discipline. Ex. 1003 ¶ 36; Ex. 2001 ¶ 73. We find that a POSA would also have had 2–4 years of design or engineering experience related to products in the field of the invention, which involves endovascular devices and the surgical procedures that use such devices. Ex. 1001, 1:24–60 (background of the invention). Such devices include, but are not necessarily limited to, hemostasis valves and catheters for minimally-invasive vascular surgeries. Id. And, consistent with the testimony of the parties’ experts, the POSA need not have had firsthand experience designing hemostasis valves. See, e.g., Ex. 1029 (Zalesky Tr.), 72:11–73:7 (testifying direct experience “designing” hemostasis valves or aspiration catheters is not necessary, but “general experience with vascular devices and procedures” is required); Ex. 2006 (Thornton Tr.), 180:13–19. Further, as Dr. Zalesky testified, the POSA’s experience related to developing such devices “could be as simple as bench testing and looking at clinical data.” Ex. 1029, 74:5–75:1. Lastly, a POSA would have had an” slip op. at 12
- Claim Construction › Intrinsic evidence (Phillips canons) › Plain and ordinary meaning to a POSITATerm construed patent owner constructionDecided for patent owner
“As noted above, the challenged claims require a “filament formed in a loop around the tubular sidewall” where, when a portion of the filament is pulled away from the loop, the loop’s diameter reduces, thereby reducing the diameter of the lumen formed by the tubular sidewall to seal the valve. See supra Section II.D. Every embodiment in the ’291 patent where the filament is described as forming a “loop” in the manner claimed involves a filament that is necessarily flexible. See, e.g., Ex. 1001, 13:17–29, Figs. 6–7. The valve would not work if the looped filament were somehow inflexible— pulling an end of the filament would not change the diameter of the loop, and the valve would not seal. Ex. 2001 ¶ 65 (testifying “a loop in a rigid component would necessarily be fixed in size” and the “inherent property of flexibility is essential to the loop structure of the claims”); Ex. 1023, 16–17” slip op. at 17
- Novelty / Anticipation (§102) › Anticipation standard (single reference, every element)Not shown unpatentableNot shown unpatentable
“We are unpersuaded that Schaffer describes a valve with a filament as claimed. If, as construed above (supra Section III.C), the filament requires flexibility, Petitioner has not demonstrated that Schaffer describes such a feature in its valves. Instead, we agree with Patent Owner that a POSA would more likely understand Schaffer’s two U-shaped actuating members as being rigid features. Prelim. Resp. 33–36. We agree with Patent Owner that Petitioner implicitly admits that Schaffer’s actuating members are rigid leakage around tools inserted through the central lumen when in use and compared to the use of a flexible string or wire (of Hartley or Eller). Prelim. Resp. 34 (citing Pet. 51). We also find Dr. Zalesky’s interpretation of Schaffer more plausible than Mr. Thornton’s on the question of whether a POSA would have regarded Schaffer’s actuating members as being rigid structures. Ex. 2001 ¶¶ 78–85 (testifying, inter alia, that a POSA would have understood from Schaffer’s disclosure about making the actuator and actuating members from machining pre-existing amounts of metals and/or plastics, and further explaining that flexible parts would deform and be difficult to machine through conventional techniques); Ex. 1005 ¶¶ 81–82. Mr. Thornton opines that Schaffer’s disclosed manufacturing techniques for the actuator/actuating members are only examples and “a person of ordinary skill in the art could have simply purchased pre-made [flexible] flat wire or plastic tapes or ribbons.” Ex. 1003 ¶ 96. Such opinion invokes, at best, obviousness-based reasoning. This does not establish that Schaffer alone describes a filament sufficient to anticipate the claims. Furthermore, Mr. Thornton’s opinion that a POSA “would have understood that Schaffer’s U-shaped actuating members would have preferably been formed from a thin, flexible material” finds no support in Schaffer itself. Ex. 1003 ¶ 95. This opinion is also at odds with his testimony in related cases about an alleged formation of gaps with Schaffer’s actuating members, which suggested those members had a set “size” and lacked flexibility. See IPR2025-01157 (Ex. 1003 ¶ 81 (testifying a POSA “would have recognized that Hartley’s flexible string may better seal the valve than Schaffer’s metallic/plastic actuating members” because, “if a tool did not fit the size of” slip op. at 31
Claim construction§ 102 anticipation§ 103 obviousnesscites KSR · GrahamPatents in suitUS 11,865,291 - PTAB · Oct 10, 2025 · IPR2025-00728 · APJ Timothy G Majors · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted IPR on all challenged claims and all five grounds, finding a reasonable likelihood of success based on at least one claim, including claim 1 over Hartley and Eller.
RulingsInstitution decision- PTAB / AIA Trials › Institution threshold (reasonable likelihood / more likely than not)InstitutedInstituted
“Under 35 U.S.C. § 314(a), an inter partes review may not be instituted unless it is determined that there is a reasonable likelihood that the petitioner will prevail with respect to at least one of the claims challenged in the petition. For reasons explained below, we conclude that Petitioner shows a reasonable likelihood that it will prevail with respect to at least one of the ’921 patent’s challenged claims.1 We institute inter partes review on all challenged claims. See SAS Inst. Inc. v. Iancu, 584 U.S. 357, 362–63 (2018); 37 C.F.R. § 42.108(a) (“When instituting inter partes review, the Board will authorize the review to proceed on all of the challenged claims and on all grounds of unpatentability asserted for each claim.”). Findings and conclusions at this stage are preliminary and based on the current record. Any final decision will be based on a full trial record.” slip op. at 2
- Skill levelSkill level patent owner adoptedDecided for patent owner
“We agree with Patent Owner that Petitioner’s proposed POSA definition lacks specificity. That definition, if interpreted generically, could mean that a person may qualify as a POSA if they had, for example, a B.S. in mechanical engineering and only two years of experience designing or engineering any type of product in any field. That is too broad. We find that a POSA would have had the agreed-upon educational credentials—an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering or a related engineering discipline. Ex. 1003 ¶ 35; Ex. 2024 ¶ 61. We find that a POSA would also have had 2–4 years of design or engineering experience related to products in the field of the invention, such devices. Ex. 1001, 1:16–54 (background of the invention). Such devices include, but are not necessarily limited to, hemostasis valves and catheters for minimally-invasive vascular surgeries. Id. And, consistent with the testimony of the parties’ experts, the POSA need not have had firsthand experience designing hemostasis valves. See, e.g., Ex. 1037 (Zalesky Tr.), 72:11–73:7 (testifying direct experience “designing” hemostasis valves or aspiration catheters is not necessary, but “general experience with vascular devices and procedures” is required); Ex. 2030 (Thornton Tr.), 180:13–19. Further, as Dr. Zalesky testified, the POSA’s experience related to developing such devices “could be as simple as bench testing and looking at clinical data.” Ex. 1037, 74:5–75:1. Lastly, a POSA would have had an understanding of such devices’ design requirements as determined by the needs of the physician, patient, and procedure, which understanding may be informed by work experience and/or study. Ex. 2030, 24:5–21.” slip op. at 11
- Claim Construction › Intrinsic evidence (Phillips canons) › Plain and ordinary meaning to a POSITATerm construed patent owner constructionDecided for patent owner
“That does not, however, address the dispute about “flexibility.” On that issue, the argument and evidence at this stage tends to favor Patent Owner’s position that a “filament” as claimed is flexible. which include claim 1’s recitation of an “active tensioning mechanism” comprising the filament and the Specification’s description of a filament that can be both “loosened” and “tightened.” Prelim. Resp. 14–16 (citing, e.g., Ex. 1001, 9:36–37, 9:53–56 (teaching “the filament 150 is tightened” when the actuator buttons are released and “the filament 150 is loosened” when the buttons are pressed to open the valve)); see also Ex. 2025, 1288 (defining “tension” as to “tighten to a desired or appropriate degree”). These descriptions from the patent appear at this stage more consistent with the view that the filament is characteristically flexible, not rigid. So too, as we explained in related matters, the ’921 patent’s loop embodiments (where the filament forms one or more loops like depicted and described in Figures 6–7) require a flexible structure. See, e.g., Ex. 2032, 15–16 (explaining that the device would not work to constrict the tubular sidewall and lumen (analogous to the elongate member defining a lumen of the claims here) if the filament forming the loop(s) was inflexible); Ex. 1001, Figs. 6–7 (filament 150, with sub-filaments 150-A and 150-B). Although flexibility of the filament in the patent’s “bight” embodiments (e.g., as shown in Figures 8 and 9) is not manifestly clear, there is a dearth of evidence from Petitioner—either intrinsic or extrinsic to the patent— showing why a POSA would have understood the bights as embracing rigid structures. See Ex. 1001, Figs. 8–9 (similar to the loop embodiments, depicting structures 150-A and 150-B forming sub-filaments of the bight(s)). Moreover, as admitted by Petitioner’s expert, that a filament may be made from various materials described in the patent (e.g., synthetics or metals) does not, absent more information, lead to a conclusion that a filament is “rigid.” Ex. 2030, 125:2–126:4 (testifying “the relative stiffness or rigidity” slip op. at 14
- Novelty / Anticipation (§102) › Anticipation standard (single reference, every element)Not shown unpatentableNot shown unpatentable
“Based on the current record, we are unpersuaded that Schaffer describes a valve with a filament as claimed. If, as construed above (supra Section III.C), a filament requires flexibility, Petitioner has not demonstrated that Schaffer describes such a feature in its valves. Instead we agree with Patent Owner that Petitioner “implicitly admits” that Schaffer’s actuating members are rigid insofar as Petitioner argues those members would form gaps for fluid leakage around tools inserted through the central lumen when in use and compared to the use of a flexible string or wire (of Hartley or Eller). Prelim. Resp. 29 (citing Pet. 36). Moreover, we find Dr. Zalesky’s interpretation of Schaffer more plausible than Mr. Thornton’s on the question of whether a POSA would have regarded Schaffer’s actuating members as being substantially rigid structures. Ex. 2024 ¶¶ 92–100 (testifying, inter alia, that a POSA would have understood from Schaffer’s disclosure about making the actuator and actuating members from machining pre-existing amounts of metals and/or plastics, and further explaining that flexible parts would deform and be difficult to machine through conventional techniques); Ex. 1005 ¶¶ 81–82. Mr. Thornton testifies that Schaffer’s disclosed manufacturing techniques for the actuator/actuating members are only examples and “a [and flexible] flat wire or plastic tapes or ribbons.” Ex. 1003 ¶ 79. Such testimony invokes, at best, obviousness-based reasoning. This does not establish that Schaffer alone describes a filament sufficient to anticipate the claims. Trintec Indus., Inc. v. Top-U.S.A. Corp., 295 F.3d 1292, 1296 (Fed. Cir. 2002) (explaining that the “test for novelty” requires “strict identity”); Jamesbury Corp. v. Litton Indus. Prods., Inc., 756 F.2d 1556, 1560 (Fed. Cir. 1985) (holding “anticipation is not shown by a prior art disclosure which is only ‘substantially the same’ as the claimed invention”), overruled on other grounds, A.C. Aukerman Co. v. R.L. Chaides Constr. Co., 960 F.2d 1020 (Fed. Cir. 1992) (en banc). Because we determine on this preliminary record that Schaffer does not describe a valve comprising a “filament” as claimed, Schaffer cannot anticipate the challenged claims.” slip op. at 26
Claim construction§ 102 anticipation§ 103 obviousnesscites KSR · GrahamPatents in suitUS 11,844,921 - Aroma360, LLC v. Air Esscentials, Inc.InstitutedPTAB · Oct 8, 2025 · IPR2025-00705 · APJ Eric C Jeschke · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted IPR on claims 7–9 and 11 on all asserted grounds after finding a reasonable likelihood of prevailing on at least one claim.
RulingsInstitution decision- PTAB / AIA Trials › Institution threshold (reasonable likelihood / more likely than not)InstitutedInstituted
“review. See 35 U.S.C. § 314; 37 C.F.R. § 42.4(a) (2024) (“The Board institutes the trial on behalf of the Director.”). Inter partes review may not be instituted “unless . . . the information presented in the petition . . . shows that there is a reasonable likelihood that the petitioner would prevail with respect to at least 1 of the claims challenged in the petition.” 35 U.S.C. § 314. Upon consideration of the evidence and arguments in the record, for the reasons below, we determine that the information presented shows a reasonable likelihood that Petitioner would prevail with respect to at least one of the challenged claims. We thus institute inter partes review on all challenged claims on all asserted grounds. See SAS Inst. Inc. v. Iancu, 584” slip op. at 2
- Skill levelSkill level petitioner adoptedDecided for petitioner
“(1) a bachelor’s degree in mechanical engineering, aerospace engineering, chemical engineering, or a similar engineering field, with at least two years of work experience in fluid dynamics or fluid systems engineering; or (2) a master’s degree in mechanical engineering, aerospace engineering, chemical engineering, or a similar engineering field, with at least one year of work experience in fluid dynamics or fluid systems engineering.” slip op. at 8
- Claim Construction › Threshold & procedure › Whether a term needs construction (O2 Micro)No construction neededOther
“same claim construction standard that would be used in a civil action under 35 U.S.C. § 282(b), as described in Phillips v. AWH Corp., 415 F.3d 1303 (Fed. Cir. 2005) (en banc). See 37 C.F.R. § 42.100(b). Under that standard, we generally give claim terms their ordinary and customary meaning, as would be understood by a person of ordinary skill in the art at the time of the invention, in light of the language of the claims, the specification, and the prosecution history. See Phillips, 415 F.3d at 1313–14. Although extrinsic evidence, when available, may also be useful when construing claim terms under this standard, extrinsic evidence should be considered in the context of the intrinsic evidence. See id. at 1317–19.” slip op. at 8
- Obviousness (§103) › Motivation to combine / reasonable expectation of successNot reached
“Although a final conclusion of obviousness must be supported by findings and analysis establishing a reason to combine or modify the known elements as proposed, the analysis “need not seek out precise teachings directed to the specific subject matter of the challenged claim, for a court can take account of the inferences and creative steps that a person of ordinary skill in the art would employ.” KSR Int’l Co. v. Teleflex Inc., 550 U.S. 398, 418 (2007). Patent Owner also argues that Petitioner “fails to explain how Zeng’s noise reduction head 20 and inner cover 30, designed for a different atomizer configuration, could be integrated into Sevy’s system without changing the principles of Sevy’s operation.” Prelim. Resp. 13–14; see also id. at 16 (arguing that “Zeng’s components are not mere drop-in replacements”). Although the relied-upon structures from Zeng are, of course, disclosed in that reference as part of another atomizer, “[t]he test for obviousness is not whether the features of a secondary reference may be bodily incorporated into the structure of the primary reference.” In re Keller, 642 F.2d 413, 425 (CCPA 1981). “Rather, the test is what the combined teachings of the references would have suggested to those of ordinary skill in the art.” Id. As to the alleged change in the principle of operation, Patent Owner has not adequately explained why Sevy’s principle of operation would change with the proposed combination, which replaces Sevy’s alleged “silencer assembly” with similar teachings of Zeng.” slip op. at 27
Claim construction§ 103 obviousnesscites PhillipsPatents in suitUS 9,527,094 - Aroma360, LLC v. Air Esscentials, Inc.InstitutedPTAB · Oct 8, 2025 · IPR2025-00706 · APJ Eric C Jeschke · IPR · Institution
The Board instituted inter partes review of claims 1, 4, and 7–10 on all asserted grounds, finding a reasonable likelihood of prevailing on at least one challenged claim.
RulingsInstitution decision- PTAB / AIA Trials › Institution threshold (reasonable likelihood / more likely than not)InstitutedInstituted
“review. See 35 U.S.C. § 314; 37 C.F.R. § 42.4(a) (2024) (“The Board institutes the trial on behalf of the Director.”). Inter partes review may not be instituted “unless . . . the information presented in the petition . . . shows that there is a reasonable likelihood that the petitioner would prevail with respect to at least 1 of the claims challenged in the petition.” 35 U.S.C. § 314. Upon consideration of the evidence and arguments in the record, for the reasons below, we determine that the information presented shows a reasonable likelihood that Petitioner would prevail with respect to at least one of the challenged claims. We thus institute inter partes review on all challenged claims on all asserted grounds. See SAS Inst. Inc. v. Iancu, 584 U.S. 357, 362–63, 369–70 (2018); 37 C.F.R. § 42.108(a) (“When instituting inter partes review, the Board will authorize the review to proceed on all of the challenged claims and on all grounds of unpatentability asserted for each claim.”).” slip op. at 2
- Skill levelSkill level petitioner adoptedDecided for petitioner
“we view the prior art and the claimed invention. Okajima v. Bourdeau, 261 F.3d 1350, 1355 (Fed. Cir. 2001). The person of ordinary skill in the art is a hypothetical person presumed to have known the relevant prior art. In re GPAC Inc., 57 F.3d 1573, 1579 (Fed. Cir. 1995). In determining the level of ordinary skill in the art, we may consider certain factors, including the “type of problems encountered in the art; prior art solutions to those problems; rapidity with which innovations are made; sophistication of the technology; and educational level of active workers in the field.” Id. (internal quotation marks and citation omitted).” slip op. at 7
- Claim Construction › Threshold & procedure › Whether a term needs construction (O2 Micro)No construction neededOther
“same claim construction standard that would be used in a civil action under 35 U.S.C. § 282(b), as described in Phillips v. AWH Corp., 415 F.3d 1303 (Fed. Cir. 2005) (en banc). See 37 C.F.R. § 42.100(b). Under that standard, we generally give claim terms their ordinary and customary meaning, as would be understood by a person of ordinary skill in the art at the time of the invention, in light of the language of the claims, the specification, and the prosecution history. See Phillips, 415 F.3d at 1313–14. Although extrinsic evidence, when available, may also be useful when construing claim terms under this standard, extrinsic evidence should be considered in the context of the intrinsic evidence. See id. at 1317–19. Neither Petitioner nor Patent Owner propose explicit constructions for any claim terms. Pet. 12–13; see generally Prelim. Resp. At this stage of the proceeding and based on the current record, we need not construe explicitly any claim terms because doing so would not change the outcome of the analysis below. See Realtime Data, LLC v. Iancu, 912 F.3d 1368, 1375 (Fed. Cir. 2019) (“The Board is required to construe ‘only those terms . . . that are in controversy, and only to the extent necessary to resolve the controversy.’” (quoting Vivid Techs., Inc. v. Am. Sci. & Eng’g, Inc., 200 F.3d 795, 803 (Fed. Cir. 1999)).” slip op. at 8
- Obviousness (§103) › Graham factors (scope of art, differences, level of skill)Motivation foundInstituted
“On the current record, this argument does not identify a deficiency in Petitioner’s position as to clauses 1C and 1D. Patent Owner implies that the structures recited in clauses 1C and 1D require functionality recited elsewhere in the claim—namely, forming a “fluid dispersion” (Prelim. Resp. 4)—but Patent Owner does not adequately present evidence supporting this implied claim construction. See In re Self, 671 F.2d 1344, 1348 (CCPA 1982) (rejecting arguments “not based on limitations appearing in the claims”). Instead, Patent Owner cites to the entirety of claim 1 in support of these implied functional requirements. See Prelim. Resp. 4. Stated differently, Patent Owner has not adequately explained why any particular component (or collection of components) must perform the function of forming the “fluid dispersion” recited in clause 1G. Moreover, even assuming as correct Patent Owner’s assertion that Sevy “requires downstream separation,” Patent Owner has not explained why such a 8 In its Preliminary Response, Patent Owner appears to use different terms for the same concept: “downstream separation”; “post-formation correction”; and “post-atomization correction.” See, e.g., Prelim. Resp. 3 (“downstream separation”), 4 (“post-formation correction”), 5–6 (“post-atomization correction”). In any response, Patent Owner should clarify the scope of these terms. requirement would fall outside of the scope of claim 1. See Elbit Sys. of Am., LLC v. Thales Visionix, Inc., 881 F.3d 1354, 1359 (Fed. Cir. 2018) (“‘[A]ttorney argument is not evidence’ and cannot rebut other admitted evidence.” (quoting Icon Health & Fitness, Inc. v. Strava, Inc., 849 F.3d 1034, 1043 (Fed. Cir. 2017))). On the current record, we determine that Petitioner has made a sufficient showing that Sevy discloses or suggests the structures recited in clauses 1C and 1D.” slip op. at 14
Claim construction§ 102 anticipation§ 103 obviousnesscites PhillipsPatents in suitUS 10,583,449
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